medicare, medicaid, medicare, if you wanted to do some sort of means testing, okay, talk about some things that are interesting. but not this. why lead with this and why give away what is so fundamental? >> what you're asking seems to be the question that's sort of hovered over the entire obama presidency, because as we played in that clip from 2010, "the washington post" from 2009, this idea of sort of bowing to the consensus, this sort of elite consensus about how deficits are the single biggest problem facing the country. that's been a hallmark of where obama has been for four years now. >> i think it's basic mistake. if you look at the deficit, we brought it down to last year and this year about 5.5. that's the largest deficit reduction, demobilization after world war ii. it is too fast. it is inhibiting economic growth and employment. the president wants to get down too far. once you're below 3% gdp, the national debt as a percentage of gdp so s going down as things stabilize and that's what you want to get to. but the deficit is not our immediate problem. our immediate problem is an